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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:42:26 -
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Cant wait till these changes hit. Wish we didnt show up in local with recons, covert ops and black ops too. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:03:34 -
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Daevaron Raianor wrote:Please introduce a rig that grants D-scan immunity (for recon only) that gimps locking speed/cpu&pg. As a hull bonus it only adds to the 'misery' of being a small group/solo player due to the limited counterplay, while for blobs its neigh pointless.
Nah, you'll see them when they land on grid. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:11:30 -
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Daevaron Raianor wrote:Altirius Saldiaro wrote:Daevaron Raianor wrote:Please introduce a rig that grants D-scan immunity (for recon only) that gimps locking speed/cpu&pg. As a hull bonus it only adds to the 'misery' of being a small group/solo player due to the limited counterplay, while for blobs its neigh pointless. Nah, you'll see them when they land on grid. Its more you landing on their grid that's the cause of my concern
They will be the Spiders of EVE. I cant wait. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2014.12.18 21:37:45 -
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elitatwo wrote:Kmelx wrote:D-Scan immunity is just a terrible idea, at least with the cov ops recons there is a chance that you can leave before they can ruin the fight after they decloak, here, they can just sit on grid, still surprise you unless you alt scout with combats every single fight your going to take, but without any of the drawbacks of the cloak's detrimental effect upon locking speed.
The bonus is far too powerful, without any compensating detrimental effect. It will have a seriously deleterious effect on FW and lowsec small gang PVP. It is not a balanced change. It will not be the end of EVE - errm the world. The Rook, Pilgrim, Arazu stil need to gate-travel and will be seen there. They have no cloaky bonus. People in cloaky boat will see and report their presents. And remember they don't have the OMG-FTW-BBQ-SOLO-PWN-mobile capability that those tech 3 abominations ak+á proteus, tengu, legion and loki have.
Lol, pilgrim and arazu have cloaking bonuses.
Lachesis and curse are what you mean.
You shouldn't even be commenting on recons if you don't even know the difference between them. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:02:16 -
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What I really like about this change is it puts the Recon back into the non-cloaky recons. The whole point of reconnaissance is to gather intel without detection. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:08:07 -
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I hope they remove local next |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2014.12.18 22:48:05 -
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I see a lot of FW carebears whining. CCP could just disallow Recons from your cribs, I mean plexs. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:53:05 -
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Chances are that FW plexs will get a change so that Combat Recons can't enter those sites to satisfy all these crying, whining, bitching and moaning so called Militias. Damn you babies cry a lot.
I hope for all your crying that a curse awaits you in every plex to eat you alive. One of those will be me. \m/ ( >< ) \m/ |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:32:31 -
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Gryla and her Yule Lads are coming to eat all the FW kids. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.19 17:24:46 -
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Mighty, Mighty Recon
Second to none. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.19 18:02:36 -
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Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote:Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote:No ship in EvE had that trait yet..and for a reason. Except for every one that can fit a covert ops cloak. The SoE ships come to mind here. As do the cloaky recons and stealth bombers. Oh and T3's and to some extent Black OPs. Except that covert ops cloak has targeting delay after decloak. 
Doesn't prevent me from killing with my proteus. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.19 19:39:55 -
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Combat Recons = Heisenberg's Theory of Uncertainty |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.19 21:44:58 -
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Malcolm Faust wrote:This will break exploration.
"Use combat probes?"
Q. Can you probe and hack a container simultaneously?
A. No
"Use a scout?"
I've never heard of an exploration fleet, not once. Not ever.
CCP wants players to interact with other players. Fleet up with friends. We do it all the time in wormholes. We work together to accomplish our goals. If you go solo, then you're on your own. There's a fleet function in EVE for a reason. Plus, did no one pay attention to the exploration trailer? Think it was the Rubicon one. Those explorers were in a fleet. They worked together.
People always bitching about that EVE is a MMO, it should be played with friends etc etc, then they ***** because they might need a scout with them when they go exploring. Learn to adapt. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.19 23:44:25 -
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Xe'Cara'eos wrote:
CCP - have you REALLY considered how this is going to affect WH play?
I know this is an alt-heavy environment (or teamwork-heavy), but I worry this will make combat recons the new HAC, as they have pretty good 'damage evasion' and you're buffing their resists to HAC levels......
just a concern
also - what is the point to using a force recon now? since the main bonus of the cloak is nullified by the combat recon's role bonus?
Purpose of Force Recon is the same as Marine Force Recon. Reconnaissance of the enemy while being as close to the enemy and remaining hidden.
In EVE, that means arriving on grid, and being on grid undetected. Combat Recon means staying undected while off grid and ready to move on grid when needed. Which is why, Force Recon ships have the covert ops cloaking bonus and now Combat Recon will have the bonus toward being offgrid undetected.
I think people forget what Recon even means. Whether or not people use them for that purpose, as people prefer to use covert ops for scouting, but Recon is meant to do the same and have the survivability to defend itself and/or engage a threat. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.21 19:44:28 -
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Hard Carnt wrote:Will probably cancel my sub for 12 months in the hope that D-scan immunity is removed. Isn't that what cloaking is for?
Canceling because you cant handle a bit of an extra challenge. How weak of you. Unless you are trolling, then I said nice troll there. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:32:03 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Monday update - I'm working on a revised proposal but it's a bit slow going with everyone but me out of the office to visit their families (boring). Hopefully some new stuff for you guys soon.
Dont give in to the cry babies. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.23 17:07:41 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Okay, first major update just edited into the OP.
Major changes:
We're going to go with a lighter resist profile than originally described, setting all eight recons at the former combat recon resist profile. While we still like the goal of making them more fleet viable, their tank was one of their only stand-out weaknesses and we felt that removing it could make them oppressive at smaller scales. To compensate somewhat we've trimmed 5 more sig radius of each ship.
With the Pilgrim we decided to split the difference between neut range and strength by wrapping both into one bonus. The amounts will be smaller than either of the singular bonuses but this should do a nice job of giving more engagement range flexibility while still allowing for plenty of cap pressure.
We are going to move one high slot on the Lachesis to a low slot, making armor slightly more viable while still preserving room in the mids for damps as well as long range warp disruption. The damage potential for the Lach is still on par with other combat recons even without the fifth high so we feel this fits better than giving up a mid.
The Rook is getting a little more PG fitting room and trading the 5% HAM/HML rate of fire bonus for a 7.5% kinetic missile damage bonus. This is typical Kaalakiota bonus, gives the same number of effective launchers, and favors RLML over the rate of fire bonus.
Finally, I will say again that the directional scan immunity is staying, though we are very aware of concerns (especially concerning FW site abuse) and will watch closely to see how this new capability is used and make any necessary adjustments.
Have a great Christmas o/
Good update.
The way to deal with the FW issue is just simply not allow recons into sites.
I am happy you're standing your ground though and not giving in to FW complaints. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.23 20:08:14 -
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Midnight Hope wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Finally, I will say again that the directional scan immunity is staying, though we are very aware of concerns (especially concerning FW site abuse) and will watch closely to see how this new capability is used and make any necessary adjustments.
Have a great Christmas o/ I admit I did not read all 85 pages in the thread, and it may have already been covered, but it would be nice to know what motivates this. Why do you think recons need to have scan immunity? What issue is this addressing? Perhaps explaining the reasons behind the change would help us understand (digest) it better.
Listen to the latest hydrostatic podcast. Rise was on there talking about it. Can find a link at www.totaleve.com
Or here https://highdrag.wordpress.com/2014/12/22/hd-47-arise-high-drag-is-two/ |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.23 21:19:45 -
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For FW, the smart players will have friends scouting the acceleration gate while they capture the site. Going into the site, the smart players will have a scout go in something fast to see if its clear.
Being lazy and trying to do FW solo is just going to place yourself at a higher risk.
FW will have to just adapt or die.
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.23 21:48:56 -
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Arline Kley wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Finally, I will say again that the directional scan immunity is staying, though we are very aware of concerns (especially concerning FW site abuse) and will watch closely to see how this new capability is used and make any necessary adjustments. Are the design team actually going to roll this out on SiSi first before release, get the test results so you can actually see how broken it is before you release it to TQ? or are you just going to take a blind leap of faith and then shrug when everything goes wrong? I hope to heavens that you choose the better option.
Broken? Hasn't even released on SiSi yet. Broken means it doesnt work. Are you saying that CCP will not be able to make Combat Recons immune to dscan? |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2014.12.23 22:15:09 -
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Arline Kley wrote:Altirius Saldiaro wrote:Broken? Hasn't even released on SiSi yet. Broken means it doesnt work. Are you saying that CCP will not be able to make Combat Recons immune to dscan? Broken meaning unbalanced in relation to the rest of gameplay. I have full confidence that CCP can code them in. But it's balancing it against the rest of the game - that's the real rub.
Then saying "broken" is using the wrong word.
Unbalanced is the better word to use. Although that is still opinionated. The balance is combat probes, scouts and intelligence. There are counters to it already in game. Players are just too lazy to want to use them. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.24 21:05:45 -
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Varren Dar'khel wrote:Lose the D-Scan and Keep T2 resists. The fact that we have to argue this hard for a design decision that a toddler could flaws in is pathetic.
The D-Scan change fundamentally breaks the available intel tools we use in WH space.
And the resists we're the only good change you made, the ships need them. They are T2 ships give them T2 resists.
Also fix the Pilgrim and give it +1 High Slot.
There's no change to dscan. 4 ships will be immune, but they arent changing dscan.
To say it breaks the tools used in wspace is ridiculous. Combat probes and scouts are used in wspace. Thats 2 tools that arent affected. When I say scouts, I mean a cloaked ship watching the hole.
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.25 02:24:39 -
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h3llra1z3r3 Arkaral wrote:Altirius Saldiaro wrote:[
To say it breaks the tools used in wspace is ridiculous. Combat probes and scouts are used in wspace. Thats 2 tools that arent affected. When I say scouts, I mean a cloaked ship watching the hole.
No it isn't, not everybody has multiple accounts and multiple alts and nor should they be forced into it. .[/b]
Apparently you misunderstood me. I never said anything about multiple accounts and alts. I am talking about friends. I understand that most of you are anti-social nerds, probably living with your mother's, but this is an MMO. There are thousands of other players in this game. Go find some friends, form up a fleet, and work together.
Dont be scared to make new friends and fly with them.
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.25 07:09:59 -
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Yahrr wrote:Altirius Saldiaro wrote:...this is an MMO. There are thousands of other players in this game. Go find some friends, form up a fleet, and work together. Are you volunteering for watching one of the entrances to your wormhole location so the rest of the fleet can do it's thing, or do you recruit noobs for that? I'm asking this as this 'defending' will be much like mining, boring as hell and not worth Gé¼15 per month. It will be different in that you can't do it while watching youtube. So in the end it is about alts.
Past couple corps Ive been in, when we ran sites as a corp, our scouts got paid. Everyone who participated in the sites, cleaning up the sites and scouting all got paid. Didnt matter which task you were doing, we all split the pot.
You just have to find some good people who care more about playing EVE together and less about how much isk they can make on their own.
Hell if you are more concerned with making isk on your own and not giving a cut to Corp mates willing to watch your back, then you deserve to die by a combat recon.
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.26 06:33:12 -
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I cant wait till these changes release on TQ. Reading all these tears has been so much fun. I cant wait to see all the tears that will flow in GD from all the morons who don't pay attention to upcoming changes. Especially in game. So many are going to die from these changes. Its going to be great!!! |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.30 14:54:19 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Okay, first major update just edited into the OP.
Finally, I will say again that the directional scan immunity is staying, though we are very aware of concerns (especially concerning FW site abuse) and will watch closely to see how this new capability is used and make any necessary adjustments.
Have a great Christmas o/ A game breaking ******* bullshit mechanic. You should be ashamed.
How exactly will this break the game? It hasn't even released yet. You cry too much. Oh wait, I forgot all you little kids are home for the holidays. No wonder there's so much whining. |
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